tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6406430766424642773.post4990204857133599632..comments2023-09-28T12:28:57.598+03:00Comments on Grahnlaw: Two Treaties but one European UnionRalf Grahn http://www.blogger.com/profile/02156293782163802007noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6406430766424642773.post-71752290917650364822007-12-09T17:39:00.000+02:002007-12-09T17:39:00.000+02:00The various Treaties (EEC,EC,EU) have the Member S...The various Treaties (EEC,EC,EU) have the Member States as parties, and each High Contracting Party ratifies the Treaty in accordance with its constitutional requirements. <BR/><BR/>The mode of ratification depends on the constitutional arrangements of each state. <BR/><BR/>If the European Union had what the Germans call "Kompetenzkompetenz", a democratic Constitution allowing for the Union's institutions to change its basic law, this question probably would not be posed, or rather, it would appear at the higher level (concurring decisions by the first and the second chamber and, perhaps, a pan-European referendum). <BR/><BR/>This was the difference I had in mind. <BR/><BR/>But my wording was a bit hasty. There are federal states which require ratification by (a number or share of) political entities.Ralf Grahn https://www.blogger.com/profile/02156293782163802007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6406430766424642773.post-8253165212027082842007-12-09T17:07:00.000+02:002007-12-09T17:07:00.000+02:00You wrote"The whole question of ratification, as w...You wrote<BR/>"The whole question of ratification, as well as ratification procedure arises from this basic fact." (that it is an International Treaty and not a constitution)<BR/><BR/>Would you please explain this?<BR/>ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6406430766424642773.post-76489986946658624682007-12-09T14:35:00.000+02:002007-12-09T14:35:00.000+02:00Anonymous, I repeat: the Treaty of Lisbon is an in...Anonymous, I repeat: the Treaty of Lisbon is an international treaty, entered into by the governments of the Member States. <BR/><BR/>The whole question of ratification, as well as ratification procedure arises from this basic fact. <BR/><BR/>We are still a long way from a democratic European Union, although some advances are made.Ralf Grahn https://www.blogger.com/profile/02156293782163802007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6406430766424642773.post-64978022801145824052007-12-08T08:39:00.000+02:002007-12-08T08:39:00.000+02:00"The Treaty of Lisbon is just what it says, an int..."The Treaty of Lisbon is just what it says, an international treaty between states, not a Constitution based on the people."<BR/><BR/>Enough of this nonsense!<BR/>If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks .. you can bet your sweet bippy it's a damn duck!<BR/>Call it what you will - a Reform Treaty, a tidying up exercise, the Beano, your grannies knickers if you like - but this treaty is a Constitution for a United States of Europe. <BR/>It gives the EU legal personality, abolishes the national veto in 60 more areas, creates a full time EU President, Foreign Minister and diplomatic service, and reduces our ability to block EU legislation by up to 30 per cent, as well as providing the means to transfer more powers to Brussels without consulting national parliaments at all. It including the power to set common rules on legal procedures by majority vote, the power to define criminal offences (already being exercised), and the re-introduction of a European Public Prosecutor. It also expands the role of Eurojust and Europol. <BR/><BR/>I don't know what what disgusts me most, the document itself, or the cowardice of national politicians for allowing the perpetuation of such deceit instead of standing up for democracyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com